Posted by: larry | July 18, 2008

More Elder Stuff

There are great spiritual leaders in the church that deserve our utmost honor, but there are also leaders, whether honestly wrong or for selfish reasons, lead us down a path that doesn’t resemble any direction God has revealed to us.

Anyone desiring the office of an elder for the right reasons is to be commended, but there are those seeking the role for selfish reasons, and it’s often difficult (perhaps impossible at times) to properly evaluate the heart to see whether or not that person will be the right example to set before the church and the community…a bad example can be tough to remove.

Those seeking the opportunity to lead God’s children must understand the responsibility they will have before God, and be willing to make tough decisions that effect the whole group.  Those who opt for leadership roles should not be roadblocks in the progress of the church by resisting every effort that challenges their personal pattern of how things should be done.

Elders should be willing to change when change is necessary, and not entrench the church in set-in-concrete practices that have no scriptural weight…in fact church leaders should be leading the way in change, not for the sake of change, but seeking new ways to reach the lost while remaining true to God’s word.

We don’t need shepherds that spend the majority of their time promoting and protecting a church’s specific set of rules and regulations that are often based in human traditions and scriptural misunderstanding, but dedicated shepherds that understand they too are not perfect.   Elders must be strong and brave enough to occasionally lead us into uncharted waters when the need arises, and not hide behind the pews when things get tough.

Church leaders can be wrong on occasions and lead us astray.  We still answer to God as individual souls, and can’t point our finger at someone else on judgement day to take the rap for our actions.  We should be willing to follow our leaders when they lead us scripturally, but refuse to follow an elder (or anyone else) that leads us away from God.

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  1. All Elders, pastors included now, should first read the Bible daily, practise it daily, and pray daily for others

    Most that I have met do not do so still, so how can they even be called elders?

    http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

  2. thenonconformer…

    Thanks for reading and your comment.

    It’s a scary thought that some church leaders might not study the Bible, or pray for others.

  3. before I decided to, became a pastor, even of my own church, I had personally interviewed about 45 evangelical pastors, and none of them read the Bible daily, or prayed for one hour daily, or had sued the Bible in their counseling of others.. kind of of explained why they were not successful.. many stole their sermons from others, books too..

  4. One evangelical pastor even came to my home cause he had specially heard that I had been claiming that God can talk to me. He was disturbed because he was a pastor and he knew God did not talk to him. I did not want fight, argue with him, so I had prayed and asked God to reveal 3 of his sins, and that would close the matter. I told the pastor that he did not read the Bible one hour a day, that he did not pray for others one hour a day, and that he had made a forbidden alliance with another church.. he confessed it, repented and he next had asked me to pray for him

  5. Larry, I would like to ask “thenonconformer…” a lot of questions, but I won’t on your blog anyway. But someone with the connections he claims should be able to put me at ease on a lot of things.

  6. you can find me on my sites just look for me at wordpress.com

    thenonconformer

  7. A pastor in charge of marriage counseling used to ask the person to come to the chapel one hour before each session and read the Bible.. I asked him why he did it? and he replied that if God answers theor questions than I would not have to do it next..

    Most people still do not talk to God, read their Bible in fact..

    As God Prayerfully a question, then read your Bible, wait for the answer, it will come..

  8. laymond…

    Ask away Laymond…he seems ready to answer any question you might have.

  9. Paul, with Larry’s permission I will ask a few questions. First I must say I am not a member of the Pentecostal church, I am a member of a CoC and must admit I have become skeptical about some of their teachings, such as “The Trinity” and Jehovah and Christ are the same God. I know neither are found in the bible. And if I were blessed with the gift that you claim, I can’t see me using it to uncover the failings of one preacher. Instead I think I would ask for powers as were given to the apostles, so I could prove my connection to God, and use them for the benefit of the less fortunate. Where did you come up with the “one hour” minimum in order to be acceptable . I have many questions, but if you can answer the questions as to where the “Trinity” and the two are one came from except from man satisfactorily there will be plenty more.

  10. Paul/thenonconformer,I hope I did not insult you by calling you by your first name, I believe you identified yourself as Paul Kambulow of Canada in your articale “About” posted on your blog. I am sorry if I offended you by referring to you by your first name, but that is the way it has always been here on “Larry’s” blog.

    Now back to the questions, Just how do you know you are talking to God when you are praying for “dirt” to place on ones feet?

    1Jn:4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

  11. Proverbs 27:23 Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    1 Corinthians 9:7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

    1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

    I TOO now HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH CROOKED PASTORS OVER TOO MANY DECADES.. I HAVEOFTEN WRITTEN LOADS ABOUT IT TOO..

    EACH PERSON CAN BE A DR JEKYLL OR A MR HYDE CONCURRENTLY, A GOOD PERSON AT ONE TIME AND OTHER BAD PERSON NEXT TOO IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT PART OF YOU THAT YOU NOW DO ALLOW TO DOMINATE, INFLUENCE, CONTROL YOU. WE CAN WALK IN THE FLESH OR IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. WE ALL CAN WALK HUMBLY OR IN SIN, FALSE PRIDE..… AND THE RESULTS WILL VARY TOO.

    I still do strongly support the existence of good church shepherds, good church pastors, good elders, who visit their flock, provide help to them, do keep vigilance, guard over them and their good welfare, visit them in the Hospital too. These acts clearly distinguishes them from the much too many bad pastors, rather pastoral prostitutes or hirelings WE SEEM TO STILL ENOUNTER EVEN THESE DAYS. Bad men who were not chosen by God to be shepherds, but rather self appointed even for many wrong reasons.

    And the term pastors in the Bible is rather a plural one meaning the local church should have many of them now too. Not just a false one man dictatorial ministry. I TOO OFTEN was really, really surprised as to how many persons lie, are being lied to in life, in churches.. I have yet to see a Bible verse saying the local church is solely to be run by one man, one pastor, a dictator now too.. for that matter! and not the elders of that Church..

    Unfortunately in decades I have only encountered a handful of good pastors of the MANY, many that I have met. Most were pretenders, imposters, hirelings. A past pastor called me into his office and told me bluntly, face to face that he was upset that he could not exert control over me and my brother, because we were too close to eachother. Now my first rightful reaction was what kind of demon was he the Pastor that he wanted to have any control over me in the first place. Such too often selfish, self centered, control freaks as we know are now even mentally sick persons.. but this bad founding church pastor next lost pastorship rightfully of the church he had help to start now as well. He was Amongst many other bad pastors I next also had encountered. It seems also that lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, pornography, alcoholism, slander, gossiping, etc., is something that too many pastors also cannot give up on these days too. Bad pastors, bad elders continue to exist cause likely the congregation is bad too.

    (Jer 5:31 KJV) The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    (Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    (Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted


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